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Hi. It's Dave Coley, the host of the
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True Crime podcast, Cold. This season,
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I investigate the disappearance of Sherry
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Warren, a young mother looking for a
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fresh start. In the process of a divorce,
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she'd moved back in with her family, found a
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great new job, and even a new boyfriend.
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Her life was turning around and things were
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looking up for the first time in years. But
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on one October evening, Sheree said
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goodbye to her coworkers, left the office
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and was never heard from again.
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All eyes quickly turned toward her estranged
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husband. He had a history of violence,
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having previously lured another woman into
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the mountains and beat her with a tire iron.
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But there was also another man that peaked
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the interest of investigators. Sherry's
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new boyfriend, a former reserve
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police officer, who also had
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a dark history of sexual violence. The
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two men closest to Sheree, one
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swore he loved her, the other
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seemed not to care, but did
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one of them murder Sheree?
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about to play a clip from Cold,
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the Search for Sheree. While you're
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the Amazon Music app today. Rain
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drizzled over the canyon of the south fork
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of the Ogden River. It patter
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on the canvas top of Heidi Posnines Jeep
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as she drove up Utah State Highway thirty
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nine on the
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morning. Friday, June fourth, nineteen
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seventy one. She
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was on her way to meet the strange man who had
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for weeks been calling her demanding they
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go on a date. I can't see
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it, but I'm doing air quotes. She
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turned right off the highway at the entrance to the
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Meadows Campground. Crossed a
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short bridge over the river, barely more
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than a creek, really, and stopped
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next to a camper trailer on the far
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side. A pair of sheriff's deputies
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dressed as fishermen stepped out to greet her.
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And I said, what should I do? And he
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said, you just pull
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across the street.
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And then leave the Jeep parked,
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like, the sideways. You know what I mean? As
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Heidi's describing this to me decades later,
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she's using her hands to show the positions
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of her jeep in the trailer, how
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the deputies told her to park next to them,
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but to reverse out after the collar arrived
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and passed by her position to block
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him from getting back across the bridge to
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the
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road. She
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was the cheese on the mouse trap.
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Listen, make sure when he comes
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up, identify, make
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sure that he's the right person.
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Two miles down the canyon, back in
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the direction of Huntsville, her husband
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John Paznine waited at another
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campground called Magpie. The
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Sheree was with him, along with the deputy
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Albert Bailey. They all watched the
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highway as the clock ticked toward
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the time for Heidi's date to
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arrive. A little
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after ten AM, a red and white
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half ton pickup truck past magpike
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going up the canyon toward meadows. John
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Posney saw a logo printed on the truck's
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door, and a dummy who is driving
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his dad's business truck
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had said Hartman Plumbing.
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And when they drove past Magpie, Joseph,
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he immediately knew who it was Hartman
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Plumbing and Heating belonged to a man named
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Bill
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Hartman. John knew Bill.
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They had together at the Oregon Golfing
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Country Club, Bill was also
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a fellow member of The Weber Club.
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The caller had told Heidi he'd seen her at
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The Weber Club. It clicked
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for John. He recognized the
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man at the wheel of the pickup as Bill
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Hartman's oldest son, Carrie
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Hartman. The Sheree tried
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to radio the two undercover deputies who were
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with Heidi at Meadows to let them know the
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collar would soon reach them, but
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the radio didn't work in the narrow
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canyon. Heidi had
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no idea who the young man in the pickup
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truck was when he turned off the
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highway, drove across the bridge,
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and stopped next to Sheree.
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No. Because I never paid any attention
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to him before. I didn't notice him before.
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The young man rolled down his Wondery.
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Heidi saw he had brown hair, green
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eyes, and appeared clean-cut like
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a cop or military man. Kind
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of
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forgettable. He said, hi.
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I can't remember exactly. And and
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then I said, why would you pick on an old
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lady like
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me? And then he made some remark that I
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was a sexier, a prettier, something,
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you know. You're
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not an old lady
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at this point though. No. Gosh. No.
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But I was way older than he was. I
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already had
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kids, you know, teenagers. So,
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yeah, I was an old lady. Carrie
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Hartman was twenty two to Heidi's thirty
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six. And he kept looking at that trailer
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and was getting little nervous.
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And he said, I'm gonna
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just pull up there. Why don't you follow me up
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there? By up there, Carrie meant
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farther into the campground behind a line of
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trees out of sight of the road. He
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drove past her up around a bend. Heidi
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put her jeep in reverse pulled out and blocked
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the narrow road just as the deputies
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had instructed. She then leapt from
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the jeep and rushed into the safety of their
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trailer. The deputies told
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her to stay put, then went to stand
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next to the Jeep. Heidi
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poured herself a cup of coffee with shaking
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hands, She listened for the
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sound of the pickup. We had returned
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after few minutes. Heidi
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peeked out the window as the deputies pulled
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carry out of the truck and placed him under arrest.
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They frisked him, finding a small knife
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in his pocket. Then they tried to
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call their backup down at the Mag Pi
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campground, only to discover their radios
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didn't work in the canyon either. So
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the deputies piled into Carrie's truck
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and drove it and him down
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the canyon to meet with the sheriff. I
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stayed a while because I was all
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nervous, I guess. Whatever
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you I'd had my coffee and then I got Najib
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and I drove down and they were already
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gone. So Only later did
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Heidi learn from her husband John what had
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happened when Carrie had arrived in handcuffs
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at
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Magpie? John, she told
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me, had turned to the Sheree, he
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says, boy, I sure like to smack him in
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the mouth, and he says, well, we looked the other way.
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So they they had him already out.
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And drive touched him. And
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he he was
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embarrassed. He looked down, and he says, I wish
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he had a gun and shoot me. Really?
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Yeah. He said that.
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Because
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he was embarrassed he was ashamed. John
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Poznine had punched Carrie Hartman in
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the face, while the Sheree and his deputies
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looked the other way. Needless
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to say this wasn't legal. The
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deputies had then taken Carrie to the Weaver County
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jail in Ogden where they'd booked him on suspicion
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of making threatening phone calls. A
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minor, misdemeanor charge
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that didn't quite match the gravity of
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the whole situation. Kerry
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provided a handwritten statement admitting to what
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had happened. I called the lady
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and said, would you meet me at a time and place?
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If not, some harm would come to your husband's
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car and possibly him.
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That's not Carrie's voice, but they are
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his words read by a voice actor.
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Even today, Heidi downplays
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the seriousness of what happened. Well,
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because he really hadn't done anything other
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than met me. But I'm
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here to tell you, there was something much
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more ominous behind those phone calls.
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Something that makes Heidi's mouth go dry
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and her hands fidget when she really stops
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to think about it. This
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season isn't about Heidi Posnine. As
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I said earlier, it's about the disappearance of
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Sherry Warren, but there's a reason
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we're starting with Heidi instead of
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Sherry. It's because Carrie Hartman,
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the man who tried to lure Heidi
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up that canyon would years
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later meet, a friend, and
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woo Sheree Warren.
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Our story begins with a phone call.
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Voice on the phone said I was sexy. He
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had made literally thousands of those types of
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calls. He follows the women, gets
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to know them, and then hit them.
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Then don't report your body I found
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everything. There are a lot of missing girls.
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Escalades.
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Sheree was beaten, stabbed until
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the knife broke, and then shot twice in the head.
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Should Warren disappeared in the fall of nineteen
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eighty five. Her
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friends and families say she's not the type to just
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run away. Sheree
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wouldn't leave her child.
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No one can say just what happened to
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Sheree. No one's faced charges for
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her disappearance. Not her ex
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husband, Chuck Warren, money.
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He was a big
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issue. Chuck He told her
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if I can't have you, nobody's going too. And
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not Sherry's boyfriend, Carrie Hartman.
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I remember
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seeing, be careful with him. Yeah. Too dispositions.
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Doctor Jackal, mister Heidi, could be the
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nicest guy you Sheree in me,
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but he also had that sinister sight.
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Hey, Prime Members. You can binge
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