I am stunned (and still in shock) that I was able to have a conversation with the Darnell-Jamal Lisby, fashion historian and curator, back in September! (You're probably stunned that I'm just now releasing it...) On this special episode Darnell and I discuss the careers and lives of Patrick Kelly, Willi Smith, and Stephen Burrows, and the ways that their identities as Black LGBTQ+ men informed their designs and careers in the fashion industry. Fashion/fashion history lovers: this is my love letter to you! 

A big thank you to Darnell-Jamal Libsy, and to my friend Faith Cooper, also a fashion historian and curator, who connected me with Darnell. 

Check out this episode's syllabus via my Medium account, @claybmorris, for more on the designers discussed and for a few lines from me on the premise of this episode! 

(Also check out Darnell's podcast, "Fashion Victims", with Luke Meagher AKA Haute Le Mode! It's a delicious mix of fashion gossip and fashion news.)